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		<title>By: Fun Feature Friday: First Chapters &#171; Typing with My Toes</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-2/#comment-8105</link>
		<dc:creator>Fun Feature Friday: First Chapters &#171; Typing with My Toes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Workshop  Submission #1 Workshop Submission #2 Workshop Submission #3 Workshop Submission #4 Workshop Submission #5 Workshop Submission #6 Workshop Submission #7 Workshop Submission #8 from agent Mary Kole at Kidlit These are great. People submitted their first page or so and got feedback from Mary. The feedback she gives addresses issues in their submission but can be helpful to all writers because a lot of it is common problems. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Workshop  Submission #1 Workshop Submission #2 Workshop Submission #3 Workshop Submission #4 Workshop Submission #5 Workshop Submission #6 Workshop Submission #7 Workshop Submission #8 from agent Mary Kole at Kidlit These are great. People submitted their first page or so and got feedback from Mary. The feedback she gives addresses issues in their submission but can be helpful to all writers because a lot of it is common problems. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Words on the craft of writing&#160;&#124;&#160;Zero Rich Party Links</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-2/#comment-5566</link>
		<dc:creator>Words on the craft of writing&#160;&#124;&#160;Zero Rich Party Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brown agent Mary Kole has been giving critiques on novel beginnings on her blog. The Workshop Submission posts are really interesting, as Mary shows the writer&#8217;s work and intersperses her analysis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brown agent Mary Kole has been giving critiques on novel beginnings on her blog. The Workshop Submission posts are really interesting, as Mary shows the writer&#8217;s work and intersperses her analysis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Prologue Problems &#171; Nebula</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-2/#comment-5427</link>
		<dc:creator>Prologue Problems &#171; Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog, kidlit.com. Right now she&#8217;s doing a series of critiques on story beginnings and her first critique post caught me by surprise. The author wrote one word: Preface, and Kole stopped immediately to comment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog, kidlit.com. Right now she&#8217;s doing a series of critiques on story beginnings and her first critique post caught me by surprise. The author wrote one word: Preface, and Kole stopped immediately to comment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Words on the craft of writing &#171; Day By Day Writer</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-2/#comment-5377</link>
		<dc:creator>Words on the craft of writing &#171; Day By Day Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brown agent Mary Kole has been giving critiques on novel beginnings on her blog. The Workshop Submission posts are really interesting, as Mary shows the writer&#8217;s work and intersperses her analysis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brown agent Mary Kole has been giving critiques on novel beginnings on her blog. The Workshop Submission posts are really interesting, as Mary shows the writer&#8217;s work and intersperses her analysis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-2/#comment-5342</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feywriter -- I really dislike this technique. It starts the story one way, then totally goes in another direction and starts the real story. If the event is important, is there another way to reveal it? Giving the reader a piece of information that the MC doesn&#039;t have is an effective gimmick, but I hope that&#039;s not the only tension in the plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feywriter &#8212; I really dislike this technique. It starts the story one way, then totally goes in another direction and starts the real story. If the event is important, is there another way to reveal it? Giving the reader a piece of information that the MC doesn&#8217;t have is an effective gimmick, but I hope that&#8217;s not the only tension in the plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Feywriter</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5341</link>
		<dc:creator>Feywriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is a prologue okay if it&#039;s from the POV of someone other than a main character, showing an event that the MC is not present at, and takes place before chapter one? 

I dislike the flashforward technique of some prologues, as it really does feel like a gimmick, a &quot;look at me! high stakes!&quot; Thanks for doing these critiques, Mary, and thanks to Shawna for her bravery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a prologue okay if it&#8217;s from the POV of someone other than a main character, showing an event that the MC is not present at, and takes place before chapter one? </p>
<p>I dislike the flashforward technique of some prologues, as it really does feel like a gimmick, a &#8220;look at me! high stakes!&#8221; Thanks for doing these critiques, Mary, and thanks to Shawna for her bravery.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawna</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5270</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say again how truly amazing this experience was!  A little part of me felt like my masterpiece was being ripped to shreds, but honestly, I don&#039;t even care!  It was so incredibly helpful and such a great learning experience that it doesn&#039;t even matter if it wasn&#039;t the greatest thing ever written!  I learned so much in this workshop!  THANK YOU!!!

What really hit home for me was Clare&#039;s statement.  I AM so involved with these characters that I didn&#039;t see how the reader could not connect with them.  I know what happens in the rest of this scene so to me it was perfect!  But the reader does not until way down the road, but by then they may not care.

And yes, Cat that is excatly what I was trying to do, I felt like it needed to be big and powerful and knock your socks off, which apparently it didn&#039;t!

Now I just have to decide, do I completely eliminate the preface or work it in chapter 1?  Oh and Karen, would love that wheelbarrow of choclate, especially if you make it white chocolate!

Thank you again Mary and thank you all of the commenters, I think I learned just as much from your comments as I did Mary&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say again how truly amazing this experience was!  A little part of me felt like my masterpiece was being ripped to shreds, but honestly, I don&#8217;t even care!  It was so incredibly helpful and such a great learning experience that it doesn&#8217;t even matter if it wasn&#8217;t the greatest thing ever written!  I learned so much in this workshop!  THANK YOU!!!</p>
<p>What really hit home for me was Clare&#8217;s statement.  I AM so involved with these characters that I didn&#8217;t see how the reader could not connect with them.  I know what happens in the rest of this scene so to me it was perfect!  But the reader does not until way down the road, but by then they may not care.</p>
<p>And yes, Cat that is excatly what I was trying to do, I felt like it needed to be big and powerful and knock your socks off, which apparently it didn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Now I just have to decide, do I completely eliminate the preface or work it in chapter 1?  Oh and Karen, would love that wheelbarrow of choclate, especially if you make it white chocolate!</p>
<p>Thank you again Mary and thank you all of the commenters, I think I learned just as much from your comments as I did Mary&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Beesley</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice Beesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. I made the same mistake by using a prologue in my submission too. This answers my question about prologues without even having to have my entry critiqued. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I made the same mistake by using a prologue in my submission too. This answers my question about prologues without even having to have my entry critiqued. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Woods</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5248</link>
		<dc:creator>Cat Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take a turn screaming &quot;I love you&quot; at the computer screen.  However, my first heartfelt yell goes to Shawna.  I love you, Shawna!  For your courage to put yourself out there.  For your grace under fire and for your enthusiasm in accepting an honest critique.  You rock my socks off.

My second scream goes to Mary for taking the time to do this.  Thanks much for proving us with real-time critiques.  They are so valuable as a learning tool.  

That said, I would like to offer a bit of commentary on the critique and the process.  I think Shawna fell into the trap many of us fall into as beginning writers.  We are constantly told to start with the inciting incident.  So we do.  We jump right in with both feet, then have to back-pedal to get the necessary info in.  

When we do this, we often fail to give our readers the opportunity to connect with our characters.  And if they don&#039;t connect, they won&#039;t care enough to turn the page.  

At least that&#039;s what I learned at a recent writer&#039;s conference and is now being demonstrated through Shawna&#039;s manuscript and Mary&#039;s critique.  

There is a fine line between jumping in ahead of ourselves and providing scads of boring details.  Exercises like this are great educators.

My favorite line: I shouldn’t have followed Jaxen, but I couldn’t let him go without me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take a turn screaming &#8220;I love you&#8221; at the computer screen.  However, my first heartfelt yell goes to Shawna.  I love you, Shawna!  For your courage to put yourself out there.  For your grace under fire and for your enthusiasm in accepting an honest critique.  You rock my socks off.</p>
<p>My second scream goes to Mary for taking the time to do this.  Thanks much for proving us with real-time critiques.  They are so valuable as a learning tool.  </p>
<p>That said, I would like to offer a bit of commentary on the critique and the process.  I think Shawna fell into the trap many of us fall into as beginning writers.  We are constantly told to start with the inciting incident.  So we do.  We jump right in with both feet, then have to back-pedal to get the necessary info in.  </p>
<p>When we do this, we often fail to give our readers the opportunity to connect with our characters.  And if they don&#8217;t connect, they won&#8217;t care enough to turn the page.  </p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what I learned at a recent writer&#8217;s conference and is now being demonstrated through Shawna&#8217;s manuscript and Mary&#8217;s critique.  </p>
<p>There is a fine line between jumping in ahead of ourselves and providing scads of boring details.  Exercises like this are great educators.</p>
<p>My favorite line: I shouldn’t have followed Jaxen, but I couldn’t let him go without me.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Brochu</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/03/16/workshop-submission-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5244</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Brochu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing, Shawna!  Mary, the critique really helped me because I had some jumping around issues, and not staying grounded enough.  My critiquers informed me of this, but your words at the end of Shawna&#039;s submission made it click even more.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing, Shawna!  Mary, the critique really helped me because I had some jumping around issues, and not staying grounded enough.  My critiquers informed me of this, but your words at the end of Shawna&#8217;s submission made it click even more.  Thanks!</p>
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