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		<title>By: Cynthia Leitich Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Leitich Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having come from a law background (and knowing many friends still in it), I think billable hours may sound much, much better in theory than they are in practice. 

That said, I&#039;d fret such a system would have a significant adverse impact on socio-economic and racial-ethnic diversity in the field. And that&#039;s already a major problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having come from a law background (and knowing many friends still in it), I think billable hours may sound much, much better in theory than they are in practice. </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d fret such a system would have a significant adverse impact on socio-economic and racial-ethnic diversity in the field. And that&#8217;s already a major problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think billable hours would diminish the integrity of writers and agents.  We would run the risk of slush pile books lining the shelves, rather than lining an agent&#039;s trash can.  

While money doth not a writer make, it would certainly dicate the name on the spine.  Eventually, the only books available for us to read would be those sponsored by authors able to afford the fees.  

It would exacerbate the &quot;celebrity sells&quot; mentality.  And really, how many Donald Trump books can the world take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think billable hours would diminish the integrity of writers and agents.  We would run the risk of slush pile books lining the shelves, rather than lining an agent&#8217;s trash can.  </p>
<p>While money doth not a writer make, it would certainly dicate the name on the spine.  Eventually, the only books available for us to read would be those sponsored by authors able to afford the fees.  </p>
<p>It would exacerbate the &#8220;celebrity sells&#8221; mentality.  And really, how many Donald Trump books can the world take?</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Meadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Mary. Reading your prediction was like reading through a synopsis for an apocalyptic novel. Chaos! Fires! Contracts scattered everywhere! (And nO PAGE NUMBERS.)

But I think you&#039;re right; it wouldn&#039;t work in the long run. Not the way everyone who is in favor of fees and billable hours hopes it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Mary. Reading your prediction was like reading through a synopsis for an apocalyptic novel. Chaos! Fires! Contracts scattered everywhere! (And nO PAGE NUMBERS.)</p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re right; it wouldn&#8217;t work in the long run. Not the way everyone who is in favor of fees and billable hours hopes it would.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne M Leone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne M Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it.  Thanks for the answer!  It&#039;s so interesting to have this insight into what the business is like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it.  Thanks for the answer!  It&#8217;s so interesting to have this insight into what the business is like.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://kidlit.com/2010/06/25/paying-agents-by-the-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-7645</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I like the reference to football! I, too, sometimes, refer to sports when I write. I grew up on sports, so sports just finds its way into my writing. Money, money, money, it makes the world go round, and I often wonder why. &quot;Utopia,&quot; now that&#039;s a book with some good ideas. But greed gets in the way. I&#039;m not referring to you or your post by using the word greed. Talk of money always makes my head spin, and I just wanted to comment. Also, I felt compelled to comment after I read the words touchdowns and fumbles.

For the writers/authors:
Although I received invaluable advice from Mary, and some other professionals at the NJSCBWI Conference, the guest speaker said one thing that made a lot of sense to me. She said, &quot;write the book you want to read!&quot; 
Not that it matters, but I&#039;ve already incorporated some of Mary&#039;s advice from her critique of my manuscript, along with some advice from another agent. However, those words &quot;write the book you want to read,&quot; keep floating all around me as I write, read, and sleep. It makes all the sense in the world. Forget the $, forget the contracts, forget everything, just write the book...! And everything else will take care of itself!  
CB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I like the reference to football! I, too, sometimes, refer to sports when I write. I grew up on sports, so sports just finds its way into my writing. Money, money, money, it makes the world go round, and I often wonder why. &#8220;Utopia,&#8221; now that&#8217;s a book with some good ideas. But greed gets in the way. I&#8217;m not referring to you or your post by using the word greed. Talk of money always makes my head spin, and I just wanted to comment. Also, I felt compelled to comment after I read the words touchdowns and fumbles.</p>
<p>For the writers/authors:<br />
Although I received invaluable advice from Mary, and some other professionals at the NJSCBWI Conference, the guest speaker said one thing that made a lot of sense to me. She said, &#8220;write the book you want to read!&#8221;<br />
Not that it matters, but I&#8217;ve already incorporated some of Mary&#8217;s advice from her critique of my manuscript, along with some advice from another agent. However, those words &#8220;write the book you want to read,&#8221; keep floating all around me as I write, read, and sleep. It makes all the sense in the world. Forget the $, forget the contracts, forget everything, just write the book&#8230;! And everything else will take care of itself!<br />
CB</p>
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		<title>By: Smish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, you can go the billable hours route.... if you want to be like a vanity publisher. 

Represent as many people as possible; rake in the cash. 

There&#039;d be no reason to search for the gems in the slush, since sales wouldn&#039;t really matter. And the J.K. Rowlings of the world, writing novels on napkins, wouldn&#039;t be given a second glance, since they can&#039;t pay the hourly fee.  

Nope, the current system is the only system that works. If the book doesn&#039;t sell, neither the writer, nor the agent, gets paid. It&#039;s a fair system. And it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, you can go the billable hours route&#8230;. if you want to be like a vanity publisher. </p>
<p>Represent as many people as possible; rake in the cash. </p>
<p>There&#8217;d be no reason to search for the gems in the slush, since sales wouldn&#8217;t really matter. And the J.K. Rowlings of the world, writing novels on napkins, wouldn&#8217;t be given a second glance, since they can&#8217;t pay the hourly fee.  </p>
<p>Nope, the current system is the only system that works. If the book doesn&#8217;t sell, neither the writer, nor the agent, gets paid. It&#8217;s a fair system. And it works.</p>
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		<title>By: M Clement Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Clement Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you pay the agent who sells your house by the hour?</description>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne -- Some large agencies which have offices and foreign/subrights teams can take on an aspiring agent as, say, an office manager or another agent&#039;s assistant, and pay them a salary to start. That person would have lots of duties around the office and, in a few years, might start taking on their own clients. There&#039;s nothing wrong with this process. But if I had done this, it would&#039;ve taken me several years to start building a list. As is, I don&#039;t have a salary, since I have no office duties or am not assisting anyone, but I am much more free to take on clients and delve into agenting. As for starting your own agency instead of joining an agency...why?!?!?!?!? 

New agents have so much to learn and so few contacts on their own that, unless you were the most well-connected person in publishing already, I&#039;d advise against starting your own agency. There&#039;s one thing writers don&#039;t think about: contracts. Each agency has negotiated deals with publishers, set precedent, and gotten preferential wording in contracts for their clients. At ABLA, we have almost 30 years of precedent and contract language with every publisher out there. We have our own agency boilerplate that is much more advantageous for the writer than a publisher&#039;s standard boilerplate. When you start out on your own, you&#039;d have to negotiate each deal fiercely to set precedent...and you&#039;d have to start building those contracts from scratch. Just one reason to work with an established agency...the best-for-the-client contract language is already in place with most publishers. 

We still negotiate fiercely on the client&#039;s behalf, but we focus on the big stuff, instead of spending months hashing out every word in the out-of-print language, for example. At ABLA, I can almost guarantee that I can reference a contract for that house with great, advantageous out-of-print language and the argument is over. So when I negotiate, I try to set new precedent or refine existing language. I don&#039;t have to do the hard work of hacking into standard boilerplate and fighting for every clause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne &#8212; Some large agencies which have offices and foreign/subrights teams can take on an aspiring agent as, say, an office manager or another agent&#8217;s assistant, and pay them a salary to start. That person would have lots of duties around the office and, in a few years, might start taking on their own clients. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with this process. But if I had done this, it would&#8217;ve taken me several years to start building a list. As is, I don&#8217;t have a salary, since I have no office duties or am not assisting anyone, but I am much more free to take on clients and delve into agenting. As for starting your own agency instead of joining an agency&#8230;why?!?!?!?!? </p>
<p>New agents have so much to learn and so few contacts on their own that, unless you were the most well-connected person in publishing already, I&#8217;d advise against starting your own agency. There&#8217;s one thing writers don&#8217;t think about: contracts. Each agency has negotiated deals with publishers, set precedent, and gotten preferential wording in contracts for their clients. At ABLA, we have almost 30 years of precedent and contract language with every publisher out there. We have our own agency boilerplate that is much more advantageous for the writer than a publisher&#8217;s standard boilerplate. When you start out on your own, you&#8217;d have to negotiate each deal fiercely to set precedent&#8230;and you&#8217;d have to start building those contracts from scratch. Just one reason to work with an established agency&#8230;the best-for-the-client contract language is already in place with most publishers. </p>
<p>We still negotiate fiercely on the client&#8217;s behalf, but we focus on the big stuff, instead of spending months hashing out every word in the out-of-print language, for example. At ABLA, I can almost guarantee that I can reference a contract for that house with great, advantageous out-of-print language and the argument is over. So when I negotiate, I try to set new precedent or refine existing language. I don&#8217;t have to do the hard work of hacking into standard boilerplate and fighting for every clause.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed this post and also liked Buffy&#039;s comment about newspapers.  I used to work in newspaper sales, and reporters are some of the hardest working people in the business.  I interviewed the managing editor once for a paper I was writing and he said reporters work long hours for less pay than they&#039;d like and are just as likely to be criticized by the reader than praised.  But they do it because it&#039;s their passion.

What&#039;s that saying, &quot;It&#039;s the nature of the beast?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed this post and also liked Buffy&#8217;s comment about newspapers.  I used to work in newspaper sales, and reporters are some of the hardest working people in the business.  I interviewed the managing editor once for a paper I was writing and he said reporters work long hours for less pay than they&#8217;d like and are just as likely to be criticized by the reader than praised.  But they do it because it&#8217;s their passion.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that saying, &#8220;It&#8217;s the nature of the beast?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anne M Leone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne M Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post, Mary.  I found the Twitter discussion really interesting, and was hoping others would post more fully on the issue.

What I&#039;ve been wondering is how agencies work as organizations.  Do they ever prop up beginning agents with starting salaries?  Share big commissions?  Or is it always each agent for herself?  What are the benefits, besides name recognition and colleagues, of joining an agency as opposed to starting a agent business by oneself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, Mary.  I found the Twitter discussion really interesting, and was hoping others would post more fully on the issue.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve been wondering is how agencies work as organizations.  Do they ever prop up beginning agents with starting salaries?  Share big commissions?  Or is it always each agent for herself?  What are the benefits, besides name recognition and colleagues, of joining an agency as opposed to starting a agent business by oneself?</p>
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